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As the post-election crisis looms in Zimbabwe and Mugabe clings to power, the fate of the vessel holding the latest arms shipment from China remains unclear. Sightings of armed uniformed Chinese soldiers in the country have for some raised the question: how long have they been there and what exactly is their role?Official statements made by Beijing defend the weapons as merely part of an old contractual agreement, saying the sales don't violate any UN mandates or international laws. Many Chinese netizens are rejecting criticism by accusing America of being an even larger weapons dealer. Reports in recent days have made little mention of Chinese military presence in Zimbabwe, instead focusing heavily on the issue of Chinese arms sales itself; here are the top reader comments on the related news stories from several Chinese BBSes and news portal websites:anti-CNN.com:
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这是一个好的开端，ä¸èƒ½åªå‡†å·žå®˜æ"¾ç«ï¼Œä¸è®¸ç™¾å§"点ç¯ï¼ï¼ï¼
This is a good start; you can't let those in charge go around burning down houses while common people can't even light lamps!!!
jonathanho
美å¸å›½ä¸»ä¹‰æ˜¯çœŸæ£æ"控dlæµå¯‡çš„æ怖集团ï¼ï¼ä¸å›½è¦å¥‹èµ·ï¼ï¼ï¼
American imperialism is really what's in control of the dalai bandit terrorist groups!! China needs to rise up!!!
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Even if [Chinese soldiers] are on patrol, so what?
You Yanks, Limeys and Krauts can go patrol Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and the whole world, but Chinese soldiers can't go patrol Zimbabwe? That's really bloody screwy logic!
IronBlood BBS:You Yanks, Limeys and Krauts can go patrol Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Japan and the whole world, but Chinese soldiers can't go patrol Zimbabwe? That's really bloody screwy logic!
zslzzll
åƒä¸å›½å'Œæ´¥å·´å¸ƒéŸ¦çš„这船æ¦å™¨ä¹°å–完全是åˆæ³•äº¤æ˜"，ä¸å›½æ²¡æœ‰åšé"™ä»€ä¹ˆã€‚
China selling ships full of weapons to Zimbabwe is a completely legal exchange, China hasn't done anything wrong.
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强ç›-逻è¾'。。。也怪æˆ'们åšçš„ä¸å¤Ÿç§˜å¯†
Hoodlum logic…and then they blame us for not being secretive enough about it?
DanielDiao
å–æ¦å™¨åˆæ€Žä¹ˆäº†ï¼Œç¾Žå›½å¤§æ‰¹å¤§æ‰¹çš„æ¦å™¨è¿›å…¥å°æ¹¾ä¹Ÿæ²¡æœ‰äººå‡ºä¸€å£°
What's wrong with selling weapons? Heaps and heaps of American weapons go to Taiwan and no one makes a sound
德国国防军士兵
西方åª'ä½"就是喜欢给æˆ'们国家扣屎盆å
为什么æˆ'ä»¬å›½å®¶çš„å¯¹å¤–å®£ä¼ è¿™ä¹ˆæ- 力?
Western media just like to dump shit on our country
Why is our country's external propaganda so powerless?
Why is our country's external propaganda so powerless?
kenyuan111
æˆ'相信æ"¿åºœä¼šå¦¥å–„解决了，毕竟æˆ'们在éžæ´²çš„å½±å"力是那些西方国家没办法æ¯"çš„ï¼
I believe the government will resolve this properly; after all, Western countries' influence in Africa doesn't compare closely with ours!
cbhelp
æˆ'们åªä¼šè®²”æˆ'们没é"™”å-?
什么æ-¶å€™ä¸å›½èƒ½å¤Ÿä¸ä»¥å¼±è€…的姿æ€æ¥å›žç"é-®é¢˜
那就是æˆ'们出头的æ-¥å了
Is ‘we didn't do anything wrong' all that we can say?
The day China no longer has to respond as the weaker side
Those will be the days when we stand out
The day China no longer has to respond as the weaker side
Those will be the days when we stand out
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现在是强者åˆæ³•çš„世界，åªæœ‰åœ¨ä¸å›½æ‰"å€'了美国åŽï¼Œä¸å›½æ‰ä¼šæœ‰åˆæ³•çš„地ä½ï¼Œä¸ç„¶çš„è¯ï¼Œåœ¨è¥¿æ–¹æ"¿å®¢å'Œç…¤ä½"ä¸ä¸å›½æ°¸è¿œæ²¡æœ‰åˆæ³•è¿‡ã€‚
Legitimacy comes with power in this world; only when China takes America down will we then have legitimate status. Otherwise, China will never have legitimacy in the eyes of
Western politicians and media.
GXLSæ¦è¦è€å…µ
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We just send a bit of that stuff and people get all worked up. Sigh. We really have no face now. Selling them to bin Laden or Iraqi opposition groups might not be such a bad
idea.
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管他å'¢ï¼Œä»–说他的，æˆ'å–æˆ'的。
Just ignore them, they say what they want, and we sell what we want.
ç½'屋大å"¥
没有åšé"™ä»€ä¹ˆ
We haven't done anything wrong
AKC_113
对!去è"åˆå›½æ‹æ¡Œå:è€å就是è¦å–军ç«!能把è€åå'‹çš„?
Right! Take this to the UN and smack the table and tell them: ‘we'll sell arms if we want to. What you gonna do about it?'
Sohu:ä¸å›½å'Œæ´¥å·´å¸ƒéŸ¦çš„æ¦å™¨ä¹°å–完全是åˆæ³•äº¤æ˜"，但是在æ•æ„Ÿæ-¶æœŸè¿˜æ˜¯å¤šæ³¨æ„些，ä¸è¦æŽˆä»¥äººè¯æŸ„。
The arms trade between China and Zimbabwe is completely legal, though we should be more careful during this sensitive time, so as not to give anyone the upper hand.
这就是å¸å›½ä¸»ä¹‰æ§è§†å'Œæ"»å‡»æˆ'们的è¯æ®
This is just proof of American imperialistic discrimination and attack toward us
ä¸å¹²æ¶‰ä»–国内æ"¿æ˜¯ä¸å›½æ出æ¥çš„，但好åƒä¹Ÿåªæœ‰ä¸å›½ä¸€ä¸ªå›½å®¶éµå®ˆ 。世界是干涉的世界。ä¸å›½çš„ç†è®ºå¾ˆéš¾è"系实际，与世界脱轨了。ä¸å›½åº"该全çƒèŒƒå›´å†…扶æ¤äº²ä¸æ"¿æƒå'ŒåŠ¿åŠ›ï¼Œå¹¿ç»"盟å‹ã€‚朋å‹å¤šï¼Œè·¯æ‰å®½ã€‚ä¸å›½çš„ä¸å¹²æ¶‰ä»–国内æ"¿æ˜¯å¦ç§å½¢å¼çš„é-å…³é"国。把自己éš"ç»ä¸–界之外。9;¯ã€‚
17æ-¥ï¼Œå-éžå¹¿æ'å…¬å¸ã€å„广æ'ç"µå°ã€ã€Šæ˜ŸæŠ¥ã€‹ã€ã€Šå…¬æ°'报》ç‰å„大åª'ä½"，å‡å¤§ç¯‡å¹…报é"了“ä¸å›½å†›ç«â€æŠµè¾¾å-éžå¹¶å‡†å¤‡è¿å¾€æ´¥å·´å¸ƒéŸ¦çš„消æ¯ã€‚
Non-interference in other countries' domestic affairs is something China proposed, but it seems like China is the only country which abides by it. The world interferes
with the world. It's hard for China to apply its theories to practice, they're so far out from the rest of the world. China ought to prop up the pro-China regimes and forces around the world,
and consolidate its allies. The more friends China has, the wider the roads on which to move. China's policy of non-intervention is another form of closed-door policy, cutting itself off from the
outside world.
On the 17th, the SABC, all radio stations, The Star and The Citizen newspapers and other media all splashed the news that “Chinese Arms” had arrived in South Africa and weren't being allowed to be shipped on to Zimbabwe.
On the 17th, the SABC, all radio stations, The Star and The Citizen newspapers and other media all splashed the news that “Chinese Arms” had arrived in South Africa and weren't being allowed to be shipped on to Zimbabwe.
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The “Poly” Corp has made another stupid mistake!
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Now South Africa's bullying China too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ä¸è¯¥å–æ¦å™¨ç»™è¿™äº›çƒ‚人。
We shouldn't be selling weapons to these rotten people.
ä¸å›½å†›ç«æ˜¯åˆæ³•äº¤æ˜"!好æ- ç–'é-®,è°é˜»ç¢,è°å°†å-到ä¸å›½çš„制è£!如果西方国家从ä¸æˆªèŽ·,ä¸å›½ä¹Ÿå¿…将以牙还牙!
Chinese arms are traded legally! Without question, anyone who obstructs them will be subject to sanctions from China! If Western countries intercepts them, China will see to
equivalent retaliation!
æˆ'们ä¸åº"该为了这些è‡å¤´å°åˆ©åŽ»æŸå®³è‡ªå·±çš„å声. 出å£è¿™äº›æ¦å™¨çš„å…¬å¸å®žé™…æŸå®³äº†ä¸å›½çš„远大利益.
We shouldn't be damaging our reputation for such petty profit. The company exporting these weapons is doing effective damaging China's long-term prospects.
交æ˜"å½"然åˆæ³•ï¼Œå°±æ˜¯ä¸å¤ªé"德，ä¸è¿‡è¯è¯´å›žæ¥ï¼Œç¾Žå›½è¿˜æ›¾ç»å–ç»™è¨è¾¾å§†æ¦å™¨å'¢ã€‚
别人的ä¸é"德行为是ä¸æ˜¯å¯ä»¥æˆä¸ºä½ ä¸é"德行为的ä¾æ®å'¢ï¼Ÿè¿™ä¸ªé-®é¢˜è¯·åŒèƒžä»¬æ…¢æ…¢æ€è€ƒã€‚
Of course this trade is legal, it's just not very moral. Although, America did in the past sell weapons to Saddam.
Is other people's immoral behavior justification for you to do the same? I'd hope our compatriots would consider this carefully.
Is other people's immoral behavior justification for you to do the same? I'd hope our compatriots would consider this carefully.
这就是西方的åª'ä½"，在转移视线。
That's Western media for you, diverting attention.
æ"¿åºœä¸çŸ¥é"怎么åšçš„，今年è€å‡ºçŽ°é‡å¤§å·®é"™ï¼ï¼ï¼Ÿï¼ï¼æŠ"ä½æŠŠæŸ„了ï¼ï¼ï¼éƒé-· ï¼ï¼ï¼
The government doesn't know what it's doing, all these huge bumbles this year!!?!! Let's
take advantage of that!!! It's depressing!!!
ä¸å›½æ"¿åºœä¸€å®šè¦ä¿è¯æ¤æ‰¹å†›ç«é¡ºåˆ©åˆ°è¾¾æ´¥å·´å¸ƒéŸ¦ï¼Œå¦åˆ™ï¼Œä»¥åŽçš„æ£å¸¸å†›ç«äº¤æ˜"å°†å-到沉é‡æ‰"击。
The Chinese government must ensure that these arms arrive in Zimbabwe safely, or else from now on regular arms trade shipments will be subject to heavy attack.
西方ååŽçš„贼心ä¸æ»
The anti-China West is hell-bent on hurting us
西方真æ¶åŠ£ï¼Œä¸å›½ä»Žç¾Žå›½è®¢è´ä¸¤è‰˜èˆªç©ºæ¯èˆ°ã€‚
Despicable West, China should order two aircraft carriers from America
é ,好象美国没å–过军ç«ä¼¼çš„
Damn, you'd think America'd never sold arms before
ä¸å›½äººå–军å"就是éžæ³•çš„，而他们å–军å"就是åˆæ³•çš„，这什么禽兽逻è¾'？
æ"¯æŒçš„顶一下ï¼
It's illegal when the Chinese
sell weapons, but legal when they do it, what kind of backwards logic is this?
美国是世界上最大的军ç«å‡ºå£å›½ã€‚
America is the largest arms exporter in the world
强烈æ"¯æŒå‡»æ²‰ç¾Žå›½è¿å°æ¹¾çš„军ç«èˆ¹åªï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼
Strongly suggest we sink American arms freighters to Taiwan!!!!
简直是污è"'!è´©å–军ç«ä¼¤å¤©å®³ç†çš„事情怎么是æˆ'们ä¸å›½æ"¿åºœåšçš„å'¢ï¼Ÿåªæœ‰ç¾Žå›½æ‰åšè¿™ç§äº‹æƒ…ï¼ï¼ï¼
Pure slander! Would our Chinese government do something as impudent and outrageous as peddle munitions? Only America does things like that!!!
ååŽè€…æ- å"ä¸å…¥.
Anti-China types are
everywhere.
ä¸å›½å‡ºå"®å†›ç«æ˜¯æ£å¸¸çš„事情。
China sells munitions all the time.
美国以åŽä¸è¦å–ç»™å°æ¹¾æ¦å™¨ï¼
America, no more selling weapons to Taiwan from now on!
ä¸è¦æ€»æ˜¯åœ¨å¤–国人对æˆ'们采å–行动的æ-¶å€™
æˆ'们åªæ˜¯å£å¤´ç"³è¾©ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼
è¦ç»´æŠ¤æˆ'们自己的利益ï¼
行动起æ¥ï¼
æˆ'们需è¦è¡ŒåŠ¨ï¼
We have to stop making excuses
When foreigners take actions against us!!!!
We have to defend our own interests!
Spring to action!
We have to act!
When foreigners take actions against us!!!!
We have to defend our own interests!
Spring to action!
We have to act!
美国是世界上最大的军ç«å•†.
America is the largest arms dealer in the world.
ä¸å›½å¯ä»¥å¯¹ç¾Žå›½çš„å"®å°æ¦å™¨è¿›è¡Œæ‰£ç•™
China can start seizing weapons America sells to Taiwan
ä¸å›½!æˆ'们åº"强硬!åº"有行动.
China! We must be strong! We must act.
没航æ¯çœŸæ˜¯ä¸è¡Œäº†å•Š
That we have no aircraft carriers is unacceptable
é"™åœ¨ï¼Œä¸å›½æ²¡æœ‰èˆªæ¯ã€‚
The mistake is that China has no aircraft carriers
ä¸å›½æ˜¯ä¸»æƒå›½å®¶ï¼Œä¸å›½æ²¡æœ‰åšé"™ä»€ä¹ˆã€‚
China is a sovereign state, China hasn't done anything wrong.
ä¸è¦æŠŠæ•´ä¸ªè‡ªç"±ä¸–界都æ '作敌人。
We don't need to make the entire free world our enemy.
象å-éžè¿™æ ·çš„三æµå›½å®¶éƒ½æ•¢å¯¹ä¸å›½è¯´ä¸é‚£è¿˜å¾-了
ä¸å›½åº"å½"å'ä¿„ç½-斯的普京å¦ä¹ 。强硬一些。
别人æ‰ä¸æ•¢å°çž§å'±ã€‚
A third-class country like South Africa dares say no to China?
China ought to learn from Putin, and be more tough.
People won't dare messing with us then.
From China.com:China ought to learn from Putin, and be more tough.
People won't dare messing with us then.
åˆæ˜¯CNN
There goes CNN again
最好能å–点给基地组织,好让他们对付美国å'ŒåŒ-约.
We should start selling some to Al Qaeda, let them take on the US and NATO.
æˆ'看奇怪了。什么事情一到ä¸å›½äººå¤´ä¸Šï¼Œæ- 论对é"™ï¼Œå…¨æ˜¯ä¸å›½äººé"™äº†ã€‚è°åœ¨æ"弄ç€ä¸–界舆论？è°åœ¨æŠ˜è…¾ä¸å›½ï¼Ÿï¼ï¼
This seems strange to me. China gets blamed for everything, whether it's right or not, and it's all Chinese people's fault. Who's manipulating world public
opinion? Who's tormenting China?!!
åªè¦æ˜¯æ"¯æŒä¸å›½çš„国家，就多å–æ¦å™¨ç»™ä»–们
Any country as long as they support China, we should start selling them more weapons
世界军ç«äº¤æ˜"市场，美国ã€è‹±ã€æ³•å„å ç™¾åˆ†ä¹‹å‡ ï¼Ÿä¸å›½æ‰å ç™¾åˆ†ä¹‹å‡ ï¼Ÿæˆ'们æ-¢ç„¶æ˜¯ä¸–界工厂，现在的æ¯"例是完全ä¸æ£å¸¸çš„，将æ¥åº"该超越美国æ‰æ£å¸¸å˜›ï¼175;¥è¶…越美国æ‰æ£å¸¸å˜›ï¼
How much of the world market for munitions trade is taken up by America? England? France? And how much of it is taken up by China? Being as we are the factory of the world,
the current ratio is completely normal. Just as it's normal that we stand to overtake America!
“ä¸å›½æ²¡æœ‰åšé"™ä»€ä¹ˆâ€œ è¿™å¥è¯ä»¥åŽæœ€å¥½ä¸è¦è¯´äº†
â€China hasn't done anything wrong” Can we stop saying this so much from now on?
æˆ'å€'觉å¾-ä¸è¯¥å–ç»™éžæ´²é‚£äº›åŠ¨ä¹±æˆ–者å¯èƒ½åŠ¨ä¹±çš„国家这些æ¦å™¨ã€‚éš¾é"éžæ´²å„ç§æ-é-´æ‰"的还ä¸å¤Ÿçƒé-¹å-？
I just feel that we ought not to be selling weapons to African countries in turmoil, or near to turmoil. Aren't the different ethnicities in Africa fighting intensely
enough as it is?
QQ:ä¸æ˜¯çƒçˆ±å'Œå¹³å-？å–æ€äººæ¦å™¨æ€»æ˜¯ä¸å¥½çš„。
Don't we strongly love peace? Selling weapons to killers is always wrong.
ä½ ä»¬å¯ä»¥å–,æˆ'们就ä¸èƒ½å–?ä½ ä»¬å¯ä»¥è‡ªç"±å–,æˆ'们就åº"该有é™åˆ¶çš„å–?这是什么强ç›-逻è¾'!ä½ è‹¥æƒ¹å¾-爷性起,è€å明天就扛é¢-原å弹出去å–,å°±å–ç»™å¤å·´!æˆ'çœ‹ä½ å'‹çš„!0;ç»™å¤å·´!æˆ'çœ‹ä½ å'‹çš„!
You can sell them, but we can't? You can sell them freely, but we can only sell under restrictions? What bandit's logic is this! Just try savagely provoking us, and
tomorrow we'll haul out the atom bombs to sellâ€"to Cuba! We'll see how you handle that!
ä¸å›½çŽ°åœ¨å–è¿™ç§å°çš„军ç«ã€‚以åŽè¦å–大的。å–先进的。æ"¯æŒæ"¯æŒæ"¯æŒ““““'
强大的ä¸å›½
China's selling small arms now. Soon they'll be bigger,
more advanced. Support, support, support………
Strong China
Strong China
æˆ'估计è¦æ˜¯ä»–们å–给津巴布韦æ¦å™¨ï¼Œä¸å›½è‚¯å®šæ²¡å¾-说，那åˆä¸ºä»€ä¹ˆå'¢ï¼Ÿé¬¼ä½¬æœ€æ¸…楚
I bet it if was them selling weapons to Zimbabwe, China wouldn't say a word. And why not? Those gwailos know exactly why
åº"该给他们一个教è®ï¼Œçœ‹ä»–ä»¬è¿˜åš£å¼ ï¼
We ought to teach them a lesson, see how arrogant they are then!
å–æ¦å™¨èµšé'±å¤©ç»åœ°ä¹‰
Selling weapons for profit is just the natural thing to do
有å–原åå¼¹ çš„å-?æˆ'è¦ä¹° 3个;
Are we selling atom bombs? I'll take 3!
NetEase:åˆæ˜¯CNN， TMçš„è¿˜åœ¨é€ è°£ç¥¸ä¼-
There goes CNN again, spreading
more hurtful fracking rumors
æˆ'é ，大陆现在å'Œå°æ¹¾æ˜¯äº¤æˆ˜çŠ¶æ€ï¼Œè°çš„船进出å°æ¹¾ï¼Œä¸å›½ä¹Ÿå¯ä»¥è¦æ±‚登船检查。特别是æ-¥æœ¬é¬¼åå'Œç¾Žå›½é¬¼å的。是ä¸å›½äººå°±é¡¶ã€‚>
Damn, the mainland is in a state of war with Taiwan right now, so if anyone's boats move in to Taiwan, China can demand to search them. Especially those Japanese or
American devils'. If you're Chinese, click this comment up.
ä¸å›½æ€¥éœ€å‡ 个大航æ¯æˆ˜æ–-群。
China urgently needs several large aircraft carriers and a pack of fighter jets.
对这ç§äº‹ï¼Œæ›´åº"该强硬。
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å¿…è¦æ-¶ï¼Œå¯ä»¥æ‰"。
We need to be even
harder on incidents like this.
Why? Because since we don't dare stand up to any developed countries like the US, France or England, if any countries of equal or smaller size pick anything with us, we'll lose all respect.
Why? Because since we don't dare stand up to any developed countries like the US, France or England, if any countries of equal or smaller size pick anything with us, we'll lose all respect.
ä¸å›½éœ€è¦èˆªæ¯ä¿æŠ¤è‡ªå·±çš„利益ï¼
China needs aircraft carriers to protect its own interests!
怎么连å-éžä¹Ÿæ¬ºè´Ÿæˆ'们ä¸å›½å•Šï¼æˆ'想æˆ'们确实需è¦ä¸€åœºæˆ˜äº‰æ¥æ '立大国的å¨ä¸¥ï¼ï¼ï¼ï¼
How is it that even South Africa is bullying China now? I think we definitely need a battle to earn our respect as a major nation!!!!
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